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Getting Gupta program but will it be enough?
Hello,
I read a post regarding the Gupta brain re-training program and am going to order it.
A brief summary: I got sick with CFS in 1997 and after seeing over 40 docs of all kinds, natural and allopathic, I had treatments with hydrogen peroxide IV's, hyperthermias with infra red saunas and chelation for mercury.
I didn't have MCS until a few years after I got CFS and it started when I smelled a bug and tar remover.
My CFS has been a problem with adrenal fatigue. My cortisol levels are low along with other hormones that go along with it.
After I had the treatments, I got better and with that, the MCS went away other than to a few things. I stuck with non-toxic products but didn't have a problem with scents, etc. No pain or fatigue being around them either.
In January, I had to get rid of some checks and instead of shredding them, I put them in a pot outside and burned them. The smoke came back in my face and within a few minutes, I had a headache and I could tell it had done something.
Researching what could have been in the checks, they use magnetic ink and certain dioxins.
My adrenals were stronger until last year. My sleep started to drop back, the fibro set in but no MCS until the checks.
My question is, the Gupta program retrains the brain but in your opinion(s), will that do anything to help me since this is from adrenal fatigue, from what I understand?
I spent so much money on things that did nothing in the past and before I order this, I would truly appreciate any opinions.
Thank you kindly!
I read a post regarding the Gupta brain re-training program and am going to order it.
A brief summary: I got sick with CFS in 1997 and after seeing over 40 docs of all kinds, natural and allopathic, I had treatments with hydrogen peroxide IV's, hyperthermias with infra red saunas and chelation for mercury.
I didn't have MCS until a few years after I got CFS and it started when I smelled a bug and tar remover.
My CFS has been a problem with adrenal fatigue. My cortisol levels are low along with other hormones that go along with it.
After I had the treatments, I got better and with that, the MCS went away other than to a few things. I stuck with non-toxic products but didn't have a problem with scents, etc. No pain or fatigue being around them either.
In January, I had to get rid of some checks and instead of shredding them, I put them in a pot outside and burned them. The smoke came back in my face and within a few minutes, I had a headache and I could tell it had done something.
Researching what could have been in the checks, they use magnetic ink and certain dioxins.
My adrenals were stronger until last year. My sleep started to drop back, the fibro set in but no MCS until the checks.
My question is, the Gupta program retrains the brain but in your opinion(s), will that do anything to help me since this is from adrenal fatigue, from what I understand?
I spent so much money on things that did nothing in the past and before I order this, I would truly appreciate any opinions.
Thank you kindly!
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Re: Getting Gupta program but will it be enough?
Hey sorry I don't know anything about this programme unfortunately. Hopefully someone will post back soon in order to help you. However I know it's really important to address the adrenal fatigue as part of your recovery from MCS. I'm not saying it's the whole answer but it's definitely important. I know from personal experience the less adrenal insufficient I feel the better my MCS is. Unfortunately I'm having reactions to medications and supplements now so I can't address the adrenal insufficiency easily due to this. I know of some good supplements for adrenal fatigue if you are interested? Here is a link you may be interested in from a good well known environmental doctor of things to address when suffering with MCS. I'm sure you have researched most of it yourself but hopefully it will be of some help.
drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Chemical_Poisoning_a...reduce_the_body_load
I think it's important to tackle your sleep problem too if possible as this won't be helping. This supplement helped me
ttp://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Revitalizing-Sleep-Formula-90-Ultracaps/2146?at=0.
Sorry you too are suffering with this terrible disease, I hope you get the support you need from family, friends or support groups. I hope someone can advise you on the Gupta programme.
All the best
Samantha
drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Chemical_Poisoning_a...reduce_the_body_load
I think it's important to tackle your sleep problem too if possible as this won't be helping. This supplement helped me
ttp://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Revitalizing-Sleep-Formula-90-Ultracaps/2146?at=0.
Sorry you too are suffering with this terrible disease, I hope you get the support you need from family, friends or support groups. I hope someone can advise you on the Gupta programme.
All the best
Samantha
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Re: Getting Gupta program but will it be enough?
Hi Lynn,
Sorry to hear you are struggling at the moment but it's encouraging to hear you have had significant improvements after various treatments in the past. I think all of us have been through a doctor or two...as well as a pile of cash!
I agree with Samantha that it is vital to treat the adrenal fatigue. I myself had acute MCS for a number of years, which as in your case, developed after I already had been suffering from ME/CFS for a number of years. Although I cannot prove it I feel addressing adrenal fatigue with DHEA supplements and licorice (to raise cortisol) was the key to my recovery. I have now not reacted to anything since 2005, although I continue to suffer with ME/CFS and other problems. I would recommend working with a naturopathic doctor to tackle your adrenal problems.
I have never tried the Gupta program either but I am familiar with the concept behind it and my feeling is that, yes, it does have the potential to help with adrenal fatigue. Anything that reduces stress of any kind will help the adrenal glands function more efficiently and programs such as Ashok Gupta's retrain the brain to adapt better to stress and not over react to stimuli that are non-threatening - such as minute amounts of chemicals. The body is not a collection of seperate parts, it is a fluid system, and every part of that system communicates with every other. The nervous system and endocrine system (which includes the adrenal glands) are in constant two-way communication so retraining the brain, certainly in theory, can potentially reduce demands on the adrenal glands a great deal.
I am considering purchasing the Gupta program myself as part of attempts to address the ME/CFS. Good luck with it if you decide to go ahead and let us know how you get on.
Take care,
Maff
Sorry to hear you are struggling at the moment but it's encouraging to hear you have had significant improvements after various treatments in the past. I think all of us have been through a doctor or two...as well as a pile of cash!
I agree with Samantha that it is vital to treat the adrenal fatigue. I myself had acute MCS for a number of years, which as in your case, developed after I already had been suffering from ME/CFS for a number of years. Although I cannot prove it I feel addressing adrenal fatigue with DHEA supplements and licorice (to raise cortisol) was the key to my recovery. I have now not reacted to anything since 2005, although I continue to suffer with ME/CFS and other problems. I would recommend working with a naturopathic doctor to tackle your adrenal problems.
I have never tried the Gupta program either but I am familiar with the concept behind it and my feeling is that, yes, it does have the potential to help with adrenal fatigue. Anything that reduces stress of any kind will help the adrenal glands function more efficiently and programs such as Ashok Gupta's retrain the brain to adapt better to stress and not over react to stimuli that are non-threatening - such as minute amounts of chemicals. The body is not a collection of seperate parts, it is a fluid system, and every part of that system communicates with every other. The nervous system and endocrine system (which includes the adrenal glands) are in constant two-way communication so retraining the brain, certainly in theory, can potentially reduce demands on the adrenal glands a great deal.
I am considering purchasing the Gupta program myself as part of attempts to address the ME/CFS. Good luck with it if you decide to go ahead and let us know how you get on.
Take care,
Maff
If you are going through hell, keep going - Winston Churchill
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Hi Samantha!
Thank you so much for the information
I know the adrenals play a role in MCS and fibro because when I got my adrenals stronger, neither was an issue.
Like you, I have problems with supplements. It seems you take what they say you should and you get worse.
The Gupta program, from what I understand of it, helps re-program the brain so that it doesn't over-react and allows the adrenals to relax, for the lack of a better way to explain it.
I am going to use the sauna again but this time, use a near infra red sauna. What I can tell you is when I had the sauna treatments before, they seemed to help the most with the fatigue, sleep and MCS.
Dr. Larry Wilson says that using the sauna helps hugely expedites adrenal recovery and I have to agree from experience. But, what I had was called a hyperthermia, that was done under supervision and they heated me up to almost 105 degrees
After sitting on the sun for a few hours, or what it felt like, I thought, wow, I feel good!!
Before the sauna and IV's, I could hardly walk from the pain of fibro, was sleeping four hours of crappy sleep a night on a benzo and had MCS. After, I had no fibro, slept much sounder, eventually sleeping 7-8 hours again and as I mentioned, the MCS wasn't an issue. I stayed away from what I knew would be nasty chemicals and stuck with non-toxic cleaners, etc. but wasn't bothered by normal scents.
I know it would make me want to take my foot, plant it on the doctor's behind and jet-propell across the room when they would say, "It's all in your head." But, there could be SOME validity to that with the over-reaction in the limbic part of the brain, hence the Gupta program.
I am going to check and make certain you can return the program as they state on their website and if I don't see any complaints on not being able to, it is worth a try as an add-on to rebuilding the adrenals.
It sounds like you are doing better and as I work to get my adrenals to, in my best Austin Power's voice, "behave"...I will let you know what works.
I would appreciate it if you would tell me what helped you as you mentioned.
Thank you again
Lynn
Thank you so much for the information
I know the adrenals play a role in MCS and fibro because when I got my adrenals stronger, neither was an issue.
Like you, I have problems with supplements. It seems you take what they say you should and you get worse.
The Gupta program, from what I understand of it, helps re-program the brain so that it doesn't over-react and allows the adrenals to relax, for the lack of a better way to explain it.
I am going to use the sauna again but this time, use a near infra red sauna. What I can tell you is when I had the sauna treatments before, they seemed to help the most with the fatigue, sleep and MCS.
Dr. Larry Wilson says that using the sauna helps hugely expedites adrenal recovery and I have to agree from experience. But, what I had was called a hyperthermia, that was done under supervision and they heated me up to almost 105 degrees
After sitting on the sun for a few hours, or what it felt like, I thought, wow, I feel good!!
Before the sauna and IV's, I could hardly walk from the pain of fibro, was sleeping four hours of crappy sleep a night on a benzo and had MCS. After, I had no fibro, slept much sounder, eventually sleeping 7-8 hours again and as I mentioned, the MCS wasn't an issue. I stayed away from what I knew would be nasty chemicals and stuck with non-toxic cleaners, etc. but wasn't bothered by normal scents.
I know it would make me want to take my foot, plant it on the doctor's behind and jet-propell across the room when they would say, "It's all in your head." But, there could be SOME validity to that with the over-reaction in the limbic part of the brain, hence the Gupta program.
I am going to check and make certain you can return the program as they state on their website and if I don't see any complaints on not being able to, it is worth a try as an add-on to rebuilding the adrenals.
It sounds like you are doing better and as I work to get my adrenals to, in my best Austin Power's voice, "behave"...I will let you know what works.
I would appreciate it if you would tell me what helped you as you mentioned.
Thank you again
Lynn
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Hi Maff!
I completely agree!
In some of the testimonials for the Gupta program, the people mention fatigue, etc. but I don't know if theirs stemmed from adrenal fatigue.
I don't believe there is a one-shot deal to get this back on track but, if this works like that, everyone here will know it
I have tried supplements, the adaptagens don't seem to work very well for me. I haven't tried licorice but that is mostly due to the fact that it can be estrogenic.
I took a saliva cortisol test about two months ago, before the MCS started back up because I knew my adrenals weren't cooperating. It showed high in the morning and then by noon, it dropped and stayed low. How it would show now, I don't know.
Getting enough good sleep is so important and with the adrenals not doing their thing correctly, that can be a problem.
As I told Samantha, I was sleeping fine up until the end of fall last year. Stress caught up and sleep went down. When I do sleep decent, I don't have fibro and the MCS goes down a lot.
I'm really happy that your MCS is not an issue and I hope you get the CFS to be a non-issue as well
I am making sure I can return the Gupta program as they say you can, if so, I will order and it and let you know how it works.
Thank you!
Lynn
I completely agree!
In some of the testimonials for the Gupta program, the people mention fatigue, etc. but I don't know if theirs stemmed from adrenal fatigue.
I don't believe there is a one-shot deal to get this back on track but, if this works like that, everyone here will know it
I have tried supplements, the adaptagens don't seem to work very well for me. I haven't tried licorice but that is mostly due to the fact that it can be estrogenic.
I took a saliva cortisol test about two months ago, before the MCS started back up because I knew my adrenals weren't cooperating. It showed high in the morning and then by noon, it dropped and stayed low. How it would show now, I don't know.
Getting enough good sleep is so important and with the adrenals not doing their thing correctly, that can be a problem.
As I told Samantha, I was sleeping fine up until the end of fall last year. Stress caught up and sleep went down. When I do sleep decent, I don't have fibro and the MCS goes down a lot.
I'm really happy that your MCS is not an issue and I hope you get the CFS to be a non-issue as well
I am making sure I can return the Gupta program as they say you can, if so, I will order and it and let you know how it works.
Thank you!
Lynn
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Re: Getting Gupta program but will it be enough?
Meaning I would return the program if it didn't work, if it does, I'm keeping it!
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