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Liver care for depressed and beaten livers! - 2009/10/28 01:16
Reversing Liver Damage
Use one or more of the following herbs and other nutrients.
Supplement Daily dosage
Silymarin (milk thistle extract) 500 mg or more
N-acetylcysteine 500 mg, 3 times daily
Alpha lipoic acid 300 mg, 3 times daily
Coenzyme Q10 100 mg, 3 times daily or more
Curcumin 500 mg, 3 times daily
L-taurine (prevents or breaks down gallstones) 500 mg, 3 times daily
S-adenosyl-methionine/SAMe (boosts phase 2 liver detoxification pathways) 400 mg, 3 times daily
Ginger root herb tea (note: may interact with anticoagulants) 2 or more cups (500 mL)
Dandelion tea 2 or more cups (500 mL)
Burdock tea 2 or more cups (500 mL)
Licorice root herb tea (note: may elevate blood pressure in susceptible individuals) 2 or more cups (500 mL)
Schisandra tea (especially effective for hepatitis) 2 or more cups (500 mL)
Lipotropic Agents
Lipotropic agents remove fat from the liver and improve bile flow.
Agent Daily dosage
Choline (from lecithin) 1,200 mg or more
Betaine 100 mg or more
Methionine 500 mg or more
Hempseed or flaxseed oil (helps replace bad fats with healthy essential omega-3, -6 and -9 fats) 1 Tbsp (15 mL) or more
Antioxidants to Prevent Liver Damage
Antioxidant Daily dosage
Beta carotene 10,000 IU
B complex (must contain folic acid and vitamin B12) 50 mg or more
Vitamin C 1,000 mg or more
Vitamin E 400 IU
Bioflavonoids 1,000 mg or more
Zinc 25 mg
Selenium 200 mcg
Quoted from Dr Zoltan Rona
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Re:Liver care for depressed and beaten livers! - 2009/10/29 21:42
Great Post Dechen!
I really feel proper care and feeding of the liver is the cornerstone of treatment and recovery from chemical injury and sensitivity of most any origin.
Whether it is Pathological Detoxification, or Alcohol/Acetaldehyde stress from Candida Overgrowth, a healthy liver is the best starting point towards remission I can think of.
Your list of supplements looks a lot like my "medicine box" that brought me from a point of contemplating jumping off a bridge if my MCS was going to get any worse, to what I feel is a remarkable remission for me.
It's important to point out that supplement therapies rarely work overnight, or even in a month or two... Tincture of time (patients) is required for old, damaged cells to be replaced with healthy new ones. It took three to six months of diligent supplement therapy before I realized I had turned the corner on the road to recovery.
Thanks for your help finding this concise shopping list for liver supplements!
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Re:Liver care for depressed and beaten livers! - 2009/10/30 04:37
Hi Bolam,
Throw yourself off a bridge, you say? I'm contemplating the metro here - next door. And not joking at all.
I think you got a point there Bolam, I may not be recovering at all because I don't do anything systematic. Also I don't detox, when I should. Should do enemas, FIR saunas, etc.
Am just too wiped and desperate. I should really supplement more for my liver. Really it is having a terrible time as I have (like hangover) headache all day and nausea too.
I think some part of me just can't fight anymore.
Got a super candida book this week, with diet pointers - cannot stand the sight of meat or veg anymore. So according to this book, you can have yoghurt (along with whole grains and nuts??? and legumes???). So I made myself some yogourt with lactose free milk thinking no lactose, no feeeding candida.
Today, my gut feels mouldy inside out, my skin is full of itchy toxins, face, arms, belly, legs, everywhere...
In any case, did you have candida at all or only MCS?
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Re:Liver care for depressed and beaten livers! - 2009/10/30 14:07
Yes, great post Dechen, thanks for sharing it 
Just a few things I'd like to mention about it. I know Bolam will agree with the first - that the best form of choline for the liver is phosphatidylcholine. It has been proven in many studies to be highly potent in protecting the liver and improving detoxification. I know Bolam sees it is one of the major supplements that helped him improve.
Second if you are going to take methionine you need to make sure you don't have folic acid and B12 deficiencies or are taking supplements of these. If not the methionine will simply be converted to homocysteine, a toxic chemical linked to heart disease and cognitive symptoms amongst other things, rather than aiding detoxification by being converted to glutathione and other mechanisms.
Finally, taking vitamin A or beta-carotene when you have liver problems is not a great idea - especially when toxicity is due to alcohol as in Candida overgrowth. This is because vitamin A is toxic in high doses and in the presence of chronic alcohol ingestion even moderate doses can be toxic to the liver as alcohol increases its toxicity. Take a look at this in depth article for more on this - http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CXH/is_3_27/ai_n6357649/?tag=content;col1
Changing subjects, sorry to hear about your symptom flare-up after eating the yogurt. Have you had problem with dairy foods in the past? It might not be lactose that is the problem but rather casein or other proteins present in animal milk.
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Re:Liver care for depressed and beaten livers! - 2009/10/30 17:12
Hey Guys,
Don't know how much candida was a problem for me, but I know I have some resident candida as I had an overgrowth last year when taking antibiotics for a throat infection. I guess I'll never know if this was the main cause of my troubles or not.
Regarding the phosphatidylcholine... I finally found out the difference between the PC in Lecithin and the PPC in Polyenylphosphatidylcholine! I'm a member of the Life Extension Foundation www.lef.org and they have a service where their experts will answer questions. I asked them if the stuff in PPC was simply a more concentrated form of simple Lecithin, and if simply taking more Lecithin would be the same as taking the PPC.
They responded that PPC has substantially higher amounts of a substance called DLPC or "dilinoleoylphosphatidylcholine". Apparently, it is this DLPC that has the most profound protective/regenerative effect for the liver, tho the choline in Lecithin/PC is still a big help.
I read the link in your post above Matt, and it was very interesting! Particularly regarding methionine, and how stressed livers can not utilize it properly. It seems SAM-e becomes invaluable and the supplement of choice in liver support. Unfortunate, as both PPC and SAM-e are a bit pricy! Still, a small price to pay if it really works, and for me, it did!
Regarding my thoughts of jumping off a bridge... We've got a rather infamous bridge here in San Diego... The Coronado Bridge, which is notorious for its jumpers. I used to joke about it at work, when given a particularly brutal assignment... "Do you really want me to jump off the Coronado Bridge"? Then when my career collapsed due to chemical exposures at work in August of 2007, I use to take long walks along the waterfront. I'd give money to the homeless people and think of myself joining them soon.
This led to my pondering what would become of me if I couldn't "break the code" with my MCS and pull out of the nose dive my life was in. I resolved that I wouldn't sink into homelessness or rely on my girlfriend or family... I would end it all and spare my long suffering doctors, employer, Industrial Hygienist and world from having to deal with my situation. I had walked further down the waterfront than usual that day, and when I looked up, there it was... The Coronado Bridge, big as life and right before my eyes!
It was an epiphany I'll never forget... I realized at that moment I could not go through with it, as it would hurt my girlfriend and mother too much. The aftermath of what I had been contemplating literally flashed through my mind and I saw the pain "my way out" was going to cause others. I went home and began researching my problem online with a new vengeance. I would simply have to find a way to beat this!
I sent away for some of the exotic and expensive supplements I had found online and started taking them... 10 days later, a last ditch job transfer I had applied for in a different department, before I was placed on "administrative leave" came through. Maybe I wasn't going to become homeless after all. Between leaving my toxic work environment, and taking the PPC and SAM-e, (in addition to the other supplements in my medicine box) my MCS began to improve! Slowly at first... It was several months later, while gassing up my car that I realized I wasn't getting sick from the fumes anymore... I got a bit choked up and thanked God as I drove away for the miracle cure that had occurred.
Looking back... It all seems like a dream now... Oh, and I never joke about jumping off the Coronado anymore!
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Re:Liver care for depressed and beaten livers! - 2009/10/31 04:13
Hey Bolan,
It's a very touching message you wrote there. It brought tears to my eyes... Really very candid.
I can't believe you are in San Diego! I would want to live if I were there!!! I investigated all week the possibility of moving there. What a dream. And it seems full of alternative health care.
My plan was to go to a Tijuana clinic (how desperate I am!) and to then go on and rent a small place in San Diego and continue my healing there. Here in frozen Canada, I don't stand a chance! It is not at all a healing environment.
I put an add on Craigslist, and tons of people contacted me - seemed magics! People seem awesome. Wow. Why can't I be sick in a place like that?
In any case, so it seems liver was the main culprit with you. Maybe you didn't have candida?
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