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Intestinal dysbiosis made easy! - 2009/10/31 04:21
Ok this is THE genesis for all our intestinal dysbiosis - so clear. And Maff, couldn't you find in there some way to help yourself (and me too!)? My brain's not too clear, but I seem to get from that article that an acidic Ph in the gut is not desirable, overgrowth of bacteria can be controlled with GSE, insoluble fiber should help with small bowel dysbiosis.
I get this terrible acidity in the stomach and it completely burns the gut. But from this (and another article I read) I understand that it is fermentation in the small intestines that could back up in the stomach? Could it? Or bacterial overgrowth in the stomach due to hypochloridia. Either way, I just burn.
God do I need a proper doctor who comes with a brain.
It's a long one, but very interesting article from Leo Galland. (Had to attach it because it's too long?)
Introduction
Recognition that intestinal flora have a major impact on human health first developed with the birth of microbiology in the late nineteenth century. It is generally accepted that our relationship with indigenous gut flora is "Eu-symbiotic," meaning a state of living together that is beneficial. Metchinkoff popularized the idea of "Dys-symbiosis, or Dysbiosis," a state of living with intestinal flora thathas harmful effects. He postulated that toxic amines produced by bacterial putrefaction of food were the cause of degenerative diseases, and that ingestion of fermented foods containing Lactobacilli could prolong life by decreasing gut putrefaction(1). Although Metchnikoff's ideas have been largely ignored in the United States, they have influenced four generations of European physicians. The notion that dysbiotic relationships with gut microflora may influence the development of inflammatory diseases and cancer has received considerable experimental support over the past two decades, but the mechanisms involved are far more diverse than Metchnikoff imagined.
The stool of healthy human beings consuming a Western diet contains 24 x 105¡ bacteria/gram. Twenty species comprise 75% of the total number of colonies; non-spore forming anaerobes predominate over aerobes by a ratio of 5000:1(2). Organisms cultured from mucosal surfaces are significantly different from those found in stool and vary among different parts of the gastrointestinal tract. The bacterial concentration in the stomach and small intestine is several orders of magnitude less than in the colon. The major mucosal organisms there are coccobacilli(1) and streptococci(3). The predominant organisms cultured from gastric and duodenal aspirates, are yeasts and Lactobacilli(2), living in the lumen. In the colon, the presence of these organisms is overshadowed by spirochetes and fusfform bacteria on the mucosal surface and anaerobic rods like Eubacterium, Bacteroides and Bifidobacterium in the lumen. Benefits and adverse effects of the normal gut microflora are listed in Table 1 & 2 and have been described elsewhere(4).
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Re:Intestinal dysbiosis made easy! - 2009/11/02 18:58
Hi Dechen,
Thanks for posting the article. I will try to put up a copy in the articles section on the site. Dr. Galland has given me permission to use his material in the past.
He is one of the most knowledgeable doctors around when it comes to gut dysbiosis and related problems.
You have most things correct but the PH part is a little complicated so I'll try to explain. In the upper GI tract (stomach and upper small intestine) we NEED an acidic pH to effectively digest our food and also to kill bacteria ingested with food/water and also prevent bacteria already in our guts getting out of control - small intestinal bacterial overgrowth (SIBO). Lower down the small intestine we need a less acidic pH as too much acidity would damage the intestinal wall and impair further digestion. On CDSA tests we want the stool pH to be around 6.5 - so slightly acidic.
You really need to find out if you have low or high stomach acid as both can produce the same symptoms as you now understand. There is a test that involves swallowing a capsule with a pH sensor enclosed in it that feeds data back to a computer as it passes through your gut. This can give a good idea of how much stomach acid you are producing. If you want to search online the test is called the 'Heidelberg Stomach Acid Test'.
My particular problem is that my nervous system has been so poisoned by toxins from my gut that I can't kill off the Candida which is the root of the problem i.e. I can't put into practice all that I have learned about treating gut dysbiosis from my degree course and also from the likes of Dr. Galland. No doctor has been able to offer me a way around the problem either which is why I was considering the faecal transplant as one option.
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Re:Intestinal dysbiosis made easy! - 2009/11/03 05:57
I don't exactly understand your quandary Maff... You say that your nervous system had loads of candida toxins - yet you can't kill candida? Don't you think the ongoing candida infection continues to poison your NS?
I don't understand why you can't go on a course of a couple antifungals, GSE, colloidal silver, or what not, and get it over with.
If you can't do that, then why don't you start super detox program? According to Zoltan Rona, (or someone else he's quoting) nothing draws toxins and heavy metal out of the skin like FIR saunas.
I myself have not yet chosen a course of action. My work enables me to live anywhere - and if I can manage to travel, I am currently looking for a doctor in southern USA, where I could move to, and do whatever needs to be done on an extensive period of time.
In other words, what they do in Mexican hospitals in two weeks, I'd like to stretch onto a few months - because I think then the results would be more stable.
And lots of problems need to be adressed: immune system! liver! heavy metal toxicity! candida and gut reflorestation! cleaning up all muck! ETC! Ha
It seems to me that if we are not healing, or like me, if candida comes back again and again, then there is something missing in our protocol.
It seems to me from this article, is that when you find a doctor who understands the whole of the candida picture, you're halfway out of the woods.
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Re:Intestinal dysbiosis made easy! - 2009/11/03 23:00
Basically my nervous system has been poisoned so badly that the status quo (i.e. no treatment) is just baerable but as soon as I try to kill the Candida I can't cope with the extra toxins.
I get SEVERELY irritable, tense, agitated and my skin burns due to the hyperactivity of my nervous system. The fact the burning is most severe on my scalp and around my eyes is pretty good evidence that this is indeed the correct explanation since obviously the highest amount of nervous activity occurs in the brain. This gets so severe that I start to bleed under the skin around my eyes - around the same time I reach the point of despair where I feel totally out of control and am on the verge of becoming a danger to myself and others.
All of this now happens within a very short space of time with even small amounts of any substance with antifungal activity - including just probiotics on their own. Even high doses of benzodiazepine tranquilizers (e.g. Valium) can only dampen the symptoms for a short while and then they still become unbearable.
I have spent 10 years reading and experimenting looking for a way around this and have yet to find the answer. Many top doctors with a lot of experience with Candida have not come up with a way to help me either. This is why I am looking into faecal transplants as this would bypass my problem by rapidly restoring healthy guy microflora (in theory).
As you know I have been to the Mexican Clinic and tried every technique out there to try to enhance my detoxification. The fact is if you have gut dysbiosis you can do all the detoxing you like and you will never get better because you are constantly being re-poisoned by the bad bugs in your gut. This HAS to be treated first. You can do things that might help you feel better but you will never get truly better until the gut microflora is healthy and the gut itself is healed!
Unfortunately since Candida causes such complex problems and affects everyone differently it is extremely difficult to find a doctor who will have all of the answers you need. I find that each doctor has their own therories and their own piece of the puzzle but none can put them all together.
I agree with you about doing treatments over months rather than two weeks in Mexico. The fact is you can't get better from this in two week anyway so you may as well save the money and do things at your own pace.
I really hope you find a good doctor in a warmer area that suits you. Nobody deserves to live like we live.
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Re:Intestinal dysbiosis made easy! - 2009/11/07 00:36
Wow how very discouraging, top candida doctors being stumped by you!!! My worst nightmare... Are they in the UK?
I have had a taste of that - doctors not knowing, or making me worse, or just giving up.
As wonderful as fecal transplant a dream is (a brown smooth dream!), it may remain only this until we find someone willing to do it. (and even then, my only possible donor would be my son... hum) I was thinking today though that it we found a physician willing to experiment with us - they can contact Dr Mike Silverman in Ontario (they would get through, not being ordinary humans like us); they could then learn the procedure and voilà! apply it to us. What do you think?
Until then, I will try and restore my bloody intestinal flora.
Some people seem to succeed the traditional way - kill the candida and bad guys (well and the good ones if there are any), od on probiotics, and then you're done. I thought I was in 2001 after one year intense battle against candida.
Although in 2005, organic acids test showed bacterial and fungal dysbiosis. Little did I know...
I guess candida was always lurking, ready to reemerge; now am stuck with both bacterial and fungal dysbiosis and frankly, candida seems like nothing compare to now.
But my question is, how to re-establish good balance flora in the gut? Kousmine for example, propounded colonics every day - which removed all flora from the gut, and then reimplant somehow.
I am now making my own yoghurt out of yoghurt cultures and VSL and I just let it ferment for 18 hours so all form of sugars are digested already.
Have you had no luck with VSL3 (which I've also been using to no avail for the past couple months)? How do you explain this?
What else have you tried for "reflorestration"? Have you ever tried implanting? (I know it's unnerving when people ask such obvious questions...but just wanting to know).
Also, the idea of detoxing is not to correct dysbiosis as such, but to unburden the immune system. Cause actually, some lymphocytes are supposed to keep candida in check, aren't they?
And you are right, no one deserves such misery. Should be illegal...
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Re:Intestinal dysbiosis made easy! - 2009/11/09 01:33
Dechen,
Yes, this is discouraging. I've been on an anti-fungal diet for several months. Now that I am about to have the mercury removed from my teeth, I have been hoping this (most serious  ) procedure would help me get better.
...so Maff, maybe you answered this already. I'm sorry if I missed it. I'll go back over your posts but why again, why after ten years! can you not get rid of the candida?
When I lived in my toxic house and also when I ate an allergen food, I would get a sensation of cotton in my ears and then the sensation would grow like tentacles surrounding my head/brain. It scared me to think that maybe I had candida in my brain--and in the ears is too close! So I am very strict about my diet. I still have the cotton in my ears feeling but at least it doesn't migrate to surround my head, unless I get around an agent that sets it off. I'm so glad to be out of that house...(still in the moving process but get to stay elsewhere! So thankful!)
What hope is there for recovery from candida? You had all the mercury removed from your mouth and you've been detoxing, right? And you mean that didn't work? I'm so sorry.
gr8ful*
p.s It's amazing how much time and energy health issues can demand. I've got other things that I want to do! and I know all of you do too...
Okay. I just read the thread again. No need to repeat your explanation. thanks.
PPS: Look what I found!  http://www.barbhealth.com/Articles/Conquering%20Candida%20and%20other%20fungus.pdf Maybe we can beat Candida!
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