Vaccinations in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia

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Vaccinations in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia At this time of year many people (in the US especially) are getting, or at least thinking about getting, flu shots. So I thought this would be an ideal time to talk about flu shots, and vaccinations in general, particularly in relation to those of us who suffer from chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) and fibromyalgia.

First of all the flu vaccine is one of the most controversial in terms of its use, efficacy and safety. Of the commonly used vaccines perhaps only MMR is more controversial due to the media circus generated by the work of Dr. Andrew Wakefield in the UK around 10 years ago.

One of the main problems with the flu vaccine is that the selection of the particular virus that is put into vaccines involves a large amount of guesswork with the end result being that the actual strain causing people to get flu in a particular year is often completely different to the virus people have been immunized against with the vaccine. Essentially then having had the flu vaccination in this situation offers no protection against getting the flu at all.

In fact, in the 1994-1995 flu season the CDC reported that 87% of type A influenza virus samples were not similar to that year's vaccine, and 76% of type B influenza vaccine was not similar to that year's vaccine. Reports for previous years show a similar story.

What may also be surprising is that the primary side-effects of the flu vaccine are in fact, the flu. The symptoms being listed as fever, fatigue, muscle aches, and headache. More seriously the flu vaccine has been associated with an increased risk of Guillain-Barre syndrome (GBS), an autoimmune disease affecting the nervous system.

The flu vaccine is often recommended for those with asthma, allergies, and chronic respiratory problems who are considered at increased risk of suffering more severe symptoms or developing complications if they were to catch the flu. Those with ME/CFS and fibromyalgia may also fall into this group as there is an increased prevalence of allergic disease amongst sufferers of these conditions.

Unfortunately it is exactly these immuno-compromised individuals who are likely to experience adverse reactions to the flu vaccine, and indeed other vaccines.

According to Philip F. Incao, M.D., vaccines tend to stimulate the humoral immune system (known as Th2) whose job is to recognise foreign substances and make antibodies against them while they do nothing to stimulate the cellular immune system whose cells such as neutrophils and monocytes actually attack and remove these substances. As a result he says, vaccines shift the immune response to a Th2 dominant position which ultimately increases the chances of  auto-immune and allergic diseases developing (learn more in Dr. Incao's article: How Vaccinations Work).

So based on this, giving vaccinations to people with allergies, asthma, ME/CFS and fibromyalgia (all conditions linked to Th2 dominance) may in fact rather than protecting them against flu, do more harm than good.

ME/CFS and fibromyalgia specialists seem divided on the issue of flu shots for their patients with many reporting flare-ups after the shots but others point out that those with these illness are affected particularly badly by the flu.

It must therefore be a personal decision for those affected by ME/CFS and fibromyalgia whether to get a flu shot based on past experience of both vaccine reactions and having flu itself.

My personal view is that there are many immunological abnormalities in ME/CFS and fibromyalgia that are far from being fully understood. What seems to be clear is that there is a shift to a Th2 immune response with an increase in co-existing allergic diseases and decreases in numbers and activity of immune cells involved in the cellular (Th1) immune reesponse. With this in mind is it wise to mess about with things further by introducing powerful immunomodulatory substances such as vaccines into the system?

I am lucky to not have had the flu in more years than I can remember, and have never had a flu shot so cannot comment on it from personal experience. The last time I did have flu, yes it was worse than it was when I was younger and healthy, but I'd rather battle through it than risk further long-term deterioration in my health after receiving a vaccination.

Something I can talk about from experience is the tetanus vaccine. I received a booster aged 14/15 after being ill with ME/CFS for 3 years. Now, the tetanus vaccine is on much more solid ground than the flu vaccine and is regarded as highly effective in fact all but eradicating the disease. However, as Dr. Randall Neustaedter, who practices Chinese medicine and homeopathy, says in his book 'The Vaccine Guide: Risks and Benefits for Children and Adults', the most common side-effects from the tetanus vaccine are swelling and abscesses at the injection site. After my tetanus booster I exprienced severe swelling on my upp arm and shoulder but was also bed-ridden for a week with severe viral-like symptoms....fatigue, muscles aches, headaches etc.

This experience, and others, along with research into ME/CFS and the way vaccinations work, has convinced me that vaccines are not a good idea for patients suffering from ME/CFS, fibromyalgia or other allergic and autoimmune conditions. I agree with Dr. Incao's position that vaccinations should be given more selectively based on the state of an individual's immune system and whether it is likely to respond in a postive or negative fashion.

If you suffer from ME/CFS, fibromyalgia, asthma, allergies or other autoimmune conditions, what have been your experiences with vaccinations? Have you had bad reactions or have you been fine? I think this is a really important and interesting area which spans medicine, politics and social issues so I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

 

Learn more about specific vaccines and the process of vaccination in general from Dr. Randall Neustaedter's book:

The Vaccine Guide 

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written by -, November 01, 2008
I would definitely advise against vaccinations for people with ME. Many have been made worse by vaccines, and there are some of us whose illness was actually started by a vaccine - mine was started by a hepatitis B vaccination nearly 18 years ago.
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written by Maff, November 04, 2008
People with ME/CFS certainly have more frequent adverse reactions to vaccines than the general population. As in your case unfortunately they can also initiate the disease it seems.

Dr. Incao's article makes a lot of sense to me. The immune system is highly complex and the effects of vaccinations are clearly not fully understood at this time whether in healthy individuals or conditions which are themselves poorly understood such as ME/CFS, autism, fibromyalgia etc. It is my hope that in the future people will be screened and medical professionals will be able to determine before administering vaccinations whether they will provide the desired immunity against disease, or themselves lead to pathological changes in the immune system.
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written by Maff, November 20, 2008
There has been a story in the news in the UK this week about a 43 year old man who developed ME/CFS after receiving a series of 5 vaccinations containing aluminium adjuvants. An industrial injuries tribunal ruled that the vaccinations were indeed the cause of the man's ME/CFS.

Researchers say that the aluminium adjuvant is used to illicit an immune response against whichever antigen (e.g. virus) is in the vaccine and produce immunity. They say that the aluminium in the 5 vaccinations themselves probably did not cause the man's ME/CFS. Rather he already had a high body burden of aluminium from other sources leading to an initial immune response to the aluminium in the vaccines which then spread to other stores of the metal elsewhere in the man's body to trigger his ME/CFS.

The researchers point out that ongoing programme of mass vaccination of young women in the UK against the human papilloma virus (HPV) with a vaccine which uses an aluminium based adjuvant may not be without similar risks.

Study conducted by Dr Chris Exley and colleagues of the Birchall Centre at Keele University in Staffordshire, UK.
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written by fibro girl, March 04, 2009
I *GOT* fibromyalgia after a tetanus shot. The muscles spasms spread from the injection site over my entire body (spasms also became muscle jumps/jerks)over a period of 2 months. At 2 months it became boiling burning pain, a raw tender meat feeling in my legs, painful if you touched it by accident. My entire body felt scalding, even my tongue and my spasms to this day are bad enough at times to wake myself up just as my arm is coming down to slap me in the face. Other times the spasms pull muscles and I had to be in rehab. Eventually after seeing many doctors, I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia. My muscles weaken to where if I overdo them, I cannot use them. I have never been the same since that tetanus shot. (10 years)
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written by fibro girl, March 04, 2009
By the way, Maff, look up squalene. Many use it to potentiate the effects of the injection.
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written by Denise, April 14, 2009
I do have diagnosed allergies and hypothyroidism. I had a flu shot 10 years ago that appeared to cause an actual case of the flu or something similar. I seemed to pick up many viruses, strep throat, bronchitis etc. that winter. I felt I was ill all winter. Then 7 months after the shot I got viral meningitis and meningitis again 5 weeks after that. The specialists called it 2 separate cases. I received many calls from the Center for Disease Control and The Health Department asking questions and compiling what they called an adverse flu shot reaction form. It was recommended that, although they do not think my symptoms were associated with the flu shot, that I never get a flu shot again. Very interesting. Also, 3 days ago I went to get a tetanus shot and the health department gave me a Td shot. I not only have an incredibly swollen and sore arm, I have some hives around it and have felt like I have the flu for days. I had a fever of around 100 to 101.6 for 2 days and I could barely lift my arm above my head. I even carried around a 2lb weight that I would occassionally lift because I was concerned that my arm would get too stiff. The first two nights I kept waking up in pain and night one I had to urinate 4 times during the night(that is uncommon for me). Now the fever is gone..some swelling and pain is gone..but I am still in pain. It is not sore..it is painful. And I am wiped out as if I've been really sick for a week. I am not sure what is going on..but something is.
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written by Colleen, August 07, 2009
I have been dealing with some autoimmune issues in the past 3 years, starting with inexplicably transient arthritis and tendonitis in my joints (moved around between knees, elbows, ankles, shoulders, wrists), followed by a gradually worsening state of fibro/cfs (with pain points, stubborn muscle spasms and absolute fatigue/ feverishness every evening). The diagnosis -by the time we got down to it - is 'borderline fibro/cfs' due to being examined on non-inflammatory days, but after 3 months of living on Advil and sleeping a lot. Lots of weird stuff happening over these years, and trying to find my own way out of it.
I'm certain that this all started due to having the flu shot through my work for 4 years, as I was very, very healthy before that, and I seemed to get the flu at least once each year(3 separate times one year) when I was getting the shot.

I was on my way to feeling a lot better (have been using FibroSense by Lorna Vanderhaege - takes a couple of days but works well for me) and then had a bad cut on dirty metal and had to get a tetanus shot. My arm was sore and I had an upset stomach for a few days; no big deal. Then a few days later, I started having a 'breakout' that I at first thought was just a hormonal thing. It is now 7 weeks later, and this rash is like eczema, all around my mouth. Can't seem to kick it and nothing seems to help long term. Nothing else has changed in my eating habits or routines - the tetanus shot is the only anomaly I can think of. Also, my appetite and tummy troubles have remained since then; sometimes milder than others. I'm certain that it's the shot.

I'm trying to find a way to detox from these vaccines... I wish I'd been thinking more rationally when they asked me about the last time I'd had a tetanus shot! I'd have lied...
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written by Jan Lampariello, February 08, 2010
After treading on a rusty nail I went for an anti-tetanus booster. Without being told beforehand I was given a triple vaccine - polio, diphtheria, tetanus.

About 2 months later I developed Dupuytrens Contracture and Fibromyalgia. My decade-old, mild IBS changed its nature and worsened. I now have mental fatigue and difficulty in concentrating, debilitated memory, muscle weakness in the legs causing problems with walking and more stubborn insomnia.
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written by Wanda, April 26, 2010
People get tired of you when you are sick for a long time, many years ago I had a tetanus shot as I was about to travel overseas, the arm swelled badly and took a long time to go down. Some time later I succumbed to a mystery illness and was hospitalized, the doctors were baffled about the cause and there didn't seem to be any conclusive reason. Over the past 16 years I have been dogged by symptoms resembling fibromyalgia, and I have been diagnosed with CFS. There are periods of sometimes a few weeks or months where I start to feel well then I feel the grip on the wellness start to slide. I have lived on painkillers, I have tried every thing I know to try to get well. I was even diagnosed as having Diplococci. All I know is the doctors don't know what is wrong, I'm now investigating a connection between the toxic residue of that tetanus shot, and the way my blood feels as though it is hot and dry in my veins, I live at the upper edge of normal body temp range. I am tired of being tired, and sick of feeling unwell for so long.
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written by Tiff, June 15, 2010
I have never reacted well to vaccines.. got polio when and was paralyzed as a child from the vaccine. I was a very sick child and have never had a long run of wellness. I have had Fibromyalgia for over 5 years now.. Had to get a tetanus shot after cutting my thumb deep with a kitchen knife.. I had the fibro pain under control for about a year now no meds just diet exercise, yoga and supplements, and was staving off a flare.. within 6 hours of this shot, my pain is more widespread and severe than I can remember in a long time.. I am on the verge of tears. I had no idea this was a problem for people with autoimmune issue... they should be required to tell you about this.
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written by sandi dune, August 27, 2010
I am so upset from listening to the above suffers of tetnus and flu shots. In late 2007, I recieved a shot from a repuatable hospital. The nurse told me the shot-spot may cause some discomfort for a day or two. Well, after 4 days, the injection site was so painful and then I began to develop hives over the injection site. My hands also were becoming painful to write with, and after several doctor visits I was finally told I had fibromyalgia. What a crock! After over 30 doctors later, and hundreds of pills my hand pain is excruciating. I take oxycodone and vicadin which only take the edge off. After awhile the pain has spread to my calves and ear joint, which too, are always throbbing and painful.I was on the verge of finishing my masters degree, and life was good. Life is now as much fun as counting my next pain pill. How hard would it be to prove that a flu vaccine has caused all my physical problems. My hand pain came on so suddenly after the flu shot, that it is too much of a coincidence to be overlooked. Does my story sound familar to anyone? Thanks to all who will listen, sandy
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written by sandi dune, August 27, 2010
I am so upset from listening to the above suffers of tetnus and flu shots. In late 2007, I recieved a shot from a repuatable hospital. The nurse told me the shot-spot may cause some discomfort for a day or two. Well, after 4 days, the injection site was so painful and then I began to develop hives over the injection site. My hands also were becoming painful to write with, and after several doctor visits I was finally told I had fibromyalgia. What a crock! After over 30 doctors later, and hundreds of pills my hand pain is excruciating. I take oxycodone and vicadin which only take the edge off. After awhile the pain has spread to my calves and ear joint, which too, are always throbbing and painful.I was on the verge of finishing my masters degree, and life was good. Life is now as much fun as counting my next pain pill. How hard would it be to prove that a flu vaccine has caused all my physical problems. My hand pain came on so suddenly after the flu shot, that it is too much of a coincidence to be overlooked. Does my story sound familar to anyone? Thanks to all who will listen, sandy
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written by Ron Graves, August 27, 2010
My reaction to the pneumonia vaccine in June last year was horrendous and, over a year on, I have still not recovered.

I have COPD (never smoked - I have had the precursors since age 2), and I have had ME/CFS for 25 years. I always react badly, to a greater or lesser degree, to the annual flu vaccine (after the first shot, in 1968, I got flu for the first time in my life. You are not supposed to be able to catch flu from the vaccine, yet I know from personal experience, over many years, and from what others have told me, that you actually can. But that's an argument for another day.

Since my account of my pneumonia vaccine experience is rather long (including day-by-day comments on my progress), I should like, if I may, to point you to my blog http://ronsrants.wordpress.com...ccination/

There are also contributions from fellow victims.

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written by June Warren, September 21, 2010
Ditto on the fibromyalgia being caused by vaccines - here and UK, specially the tetanus. Ditto on yoga, diet (for fibro and yoga - reduces lactose buildup and relaxes continually cramped muscles)- and golden seal root for deep cuts - fabulous herb. Also smallpox vaccine and psoarasis causation - sure there's a 100% link there - not as valid now as with older generation, and the same applies to polio vaccine - probably caused a rather curious leg movement hesitancy in me - only lasted a few months in my teenage years in the sixties. What a mess this health thing is!
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written by jo, October 04, 2010
I feel terrible for the above the suffering of those who have responded so far, but I am also reassured by them. I had my one and only flu vaccine in 2007. This was after significant pressure from my employer. At every ward meeting we were told that if we did not have the flu vaccine, we had to sign a document to state why we declined. I had just returned to work after a fantastic holiday in New York, as my husband and I celebrated our 25th wedding anniversary. As a midwife in a major hospital, I returned to work on night shift. They offered me the flu vaccine that night and due to the previous pressure I accepted. I expected flu symptoms if anything within the next few days. But three weeks later my body crashed. I had severe pain and felt very listless. On my days off from work I could not get out of bed until midday. When the phone rang on the other side of the bed I could not even turn over to answer it. It was like I was parrallised. I had the occasional sick day, and spent the next few months returning to the GP. After an exhausting period of blood tests etc., I requested to see a Physician. It was almost 6 months later. He listened to my history and gave my a diagnosis of Fibromyalgia. As much as it was a relief to have a name for my condition, it has been an horrendous journey. I am still suffering, and I of course believe that the flu vaccine triggered this. My GP and My Rhuematologist support my suspicions.

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