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My thoughts and program 10 years 11 months ago #1

  • konnor
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Hi there,

Excellent web site you have here which I have used numerous times for a source of information. Also noticed that it is entirely maintained by Maff. Kudos fella, you’ve done an excellent job so far and I hope the upkeep isn’t too stressfull.

I thought I would provide some insight into the adrenal fatigue program I am embarking on. This by no means a guaranteed fix, and I have only been following this program for a week. I have however known about adrenal fatigue for the past 8 months or so, unfortunately being unable to settle on a program and thus haven’t seen any improvement in my condition. I’d like to present my program and reasons for doing so, as well as the other lifestyle modifications I have made/plan to make in attempting to make a recovery.

I’ve been suffering from poor health for just over year, my symptom set consisting of...

- Hypogylcemia
- Fatigue
- Insomnia
- Constipation
- Sinus infections
- Coated tongue
- Joint pain
- Neck Ache
- Stomach ulcers
- Shortness of breath
- Damaged hair
- Acne
- Food allergies
- Cravings - Carbohydrates
- Liver ache
- Light sensitivity
- Blurred vision
- Ear infections
- Mouth infections
- Hyper pigmentation
- Pins and needles
- Loose stools
- Bloating
- Flatulence
- Brain fog
- Addictive personality
- Mood swings
- Excitability
- Depression
- Apathy
- Social Anxiety

Quite a daunting list I’m sure you will agree. I’ve seen 4 GP’s and an endocrinologist and all have reported normal test results.

As a result I’ve decided to take my health into my own hands, along with some guidance from a ‘natural physician’ in London. My most recent appointment resulted in the following supplement suggestions.

- Stabilium
- Karoshil
- L-Tyrosine
- L-Theanine

Stabilium and Karoshil are brand names. Stabilium’s main active ingredient is ‘lyophilized extract deep ocean fish – Garum Armoricum’. This claims to aid with balance, serenity and energy in today’s stressful world. Karoshil is a multi nutrient formula based around ‘phosphorylated glucose’. This form of the sugar can supposedly pass the blood brain barrier and get absorbed directly by the brain, resulting in calmness, enhanced energy and relaxation.

Both very scientific sounding but in reality I doubt they will help much. I’ve not heard of either of the special ingredients nor have I come across other users of these products in other forums. That’s not to say they won’t be effective.

The other 2 are amino acids, both related to decreasing stress. Spot a trend yet?! L-Tyrosine seems to feature on many adrenal fatigue programs however I am less familiar with the effects of L-Theanine.

I didn’t leave the doctors office too excited with these supplement suggestions but I can see why he’s targeting this area. The cause of my adrenal fatigue I believe was a carb addiction, stemming from an addictive personality. The objective of these supplements is to calm the brain so the body can recover, however I don’t believe it can recover on its own now its in a compromised state. I’ve therefore added a few other supplements aimed at replenishing the adrenals and balancing blood sugar.

These include..

- L-Glutamine
- Vitamin C
- Nutri Adrenal Extra
- Chromium
- Zinc
- Digestive Enzymes
- Milk thistle
- Probiotics

The most ‘direct’ problem I face with my adrenal fatigue is hypoglycaemia. It was my first symptom back when I was addicted to fast acting carbs and sweet foods and remains the most prominent symptom. To tackle this I’ve included chromium and L-glutamine, with support from the other nutrients such as the B-vitamins, vitamin C and zinc. L-glutamine in particular looks to be very useful, not only for it’s blood sugar balancing and help with cravings, but also it’s ability to sooth the gastrointestinal lining – a ‘leaky gut’.

To tackle the adrenal fatigue from a nutritional perspective I have ‘Nutri Adrenal Extra’, which contains B vitamins, adrenal extracts and a little vitamin C with other support minerals. I’m currently on the lowest recommended dose of 2 capsules daily. There is some debate about the effectiveness of Adrenal Extracts, with some camps saying they can lead to dependency, others saying they are/were the silver bullet to their recovery. The most publicised book out there ‘Adrenal fatigue – The 21st century syndrome’ advocates that they are a safe and effective treatment, and more beneficial to those with moderate/severe adrenal fatigue. As I have 30+ symptoms, I believe I’m in this camp! Dr Peatman, an adrenal and thyroid specialist also promotes them as being perfectly safe.

The vitamin C I am trying is liposomal vitamin C imported from the US. This was recommended to me by Dr Lam, a doctor specialising in adrenal fatigue and natural medicine. Have you had a chance to look at his site? It has probably the most complete resource for dealing with adrenal fatigue and operates a free question and answer system both on his website and at curezone.

The downside is apart from a couple of testimonials again the product I ordered (LipoNano C), there doesn’t seem to be a lot of research and recommendations regarding liposomal products. It claims to have a 95% absorption rate, compared to around 20% of standard oral vitamin C, without the diarrhoea and loose stools you get when at bowel tolerance. Worth a punt in my opinion and I can report back on my findings after a month or so.

I've also got digestive enzymes and a strong probiotic to help with the digestive difficultly. Whether Candida or Adrenal Fatigue is my root problem I'm not sure. I imagine they often occur together. I've been stung in the past trying to focus on candida as my body hasn't the strength to detox properly, liver ache in particular becomming problematic. Had a successfull colonic recently which managed to get some of the gunk out.

I've also ordered a product called Seriphos to help with my high night time cortisol. The recommendation is to get to bed by 10, however I'm never naturally tired until gone 11.

I also have some appointments lined up with 2 endocrinologists on the health service. I don’t have high hopes for the first one in a months time due to my wide and sub clinical symptom set, but I may get some more information from the tests, even if he claims they are ‘normal’. I would be interested in taking a GTT to determine the severity of my hypoglycaemia as this may reveal pre diabetes or insulin resistance. Not that it would change the treatment in any way.

The second appointment I have lined up I’m viewing as a backup, and will be the third endocrinologist I see. I tracked this guy down from reading up on the thyroid forums and it looks like he has an interest/expertise in cortisol deficiency. It would be useful to discuss the potential for using hydrocortisone as an aid to my recovery, however I’m fully aware this is usually reserved for severe cases. Being young, and having only seriously suffered for a year, he might be unwilling to prescribe me any medication, despite the high level of discomfort I experience.

Nutritionally my diet consists of 6 meals a day split by about 2.5-3 hours. The focus is on above ground vegetables and low-GI foods. I’m currently experimenting with a no grain diet as on the occasions I have slipped up and binged, I felt a craving for all grains and carbs, regardless of the quality. I’m staying clear of fruits as well as they don’t seem to sit well in my stomach and are potentially detrimental with regards to hypoglycaemia and Candida.

Lifestyle wise I’ve already made a lot of changes and plan to make a few more. These include

- Improving my response to stress at work
- Meditation class
- Tai Chi
- Switching off electronics by 9pm, ideally 8pm
- Getting out the house for a couple of hours for non strenous stress free activities
- Positive thinking and inspirational reading
- Enjoying the illness and information I'm learning about myself. Embrace the wake up call.

So that's the plan. I fully expect to have to tweak it along the way and will periodically have a look at the ASI test whilst keeping an eye out of other things such as candida.

I'd be interested to hear anyone elses thoughts on adrenal fatigue and what has worked for you. Despite already having a list of potential practitioners in this country and the US, I'm, always on the look out for experienced practitioners that have a good knowledge of adrenal fatigue.

Heres to good health.
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Re:My thoughts and program 10 years 11 months ago #2

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That's a through write-up konner... Thanks for taking the time to acknowledge Matthew's wonderful site, and explain your journey so well.

I'm 5 years into my rather nasty adventure with MCS, and now feel like I'm in about as full a remission as possible. Very stable for over a year now. I turned my corner (started getting better) when I focused on mitochondrial dysfunction as the root of my malaise. I believe my problem was a blood brain barrier issue.

As your difficulties seem to originate with adrenal fatigue and blood sugar issues, we've probably got different things going on, but I wanted to tell you about something that might help you with your gastric/liver issues...

One supplement I take for mitochondrial support turns out to be not only great for liver function, but also gastric issues. It's a concentrated, polyunsaturated form of Phosphatidylcholine called \"Polyenylphosphatidylcholine\"or PPC; brand names PhosChol (Nutrasal) or HepatoPro (LifeExtension). It seems, aside from fixing up tired livers, and mitochondrial membranes, it also has a remarkable ability to help the stomach maintain its protective layer of prostaglandins, which keep stomach acid away from delicate tissues.

My girlfriend has had terrible problems with her stomach for years because she takes NSAIDs for her headaches. I gave her a few of my PPCs and told her to take them whenever she takes her headache pills. She didn't believe me at first, but soon she was back with her empty bottle asking for a refill. Said she didn't realize how good they had been working till she ran out of them. It seems she had forgotten all about her stomach troubles.

Here's a blurb from LifeExtension on how they work:
\"A major concern with NSAID drugs, though, relates to their well-established ability to induce gastrointestinal injury in the forms of erosion, bleeding, ulceration and perforation. Few people realize that GI toxicity from NSAIDs is the most frequent adverse drug event in the U.S., according to some estimates.\"

\"Doses of aspirin as low as 30 mg suppress the production of protective prostaglandins in the gastric mucosa. In addition, aspirin's direct contact with the gastrointestinal tract interferes with the hydrophobic \"non-wettable\" properties that protect the underlying epithelium from gastric acid and other toxic substances. This characteristic seems to be attributable to an extracellular lining of phospholipids, which are synthesized in surface mucus cells of the stomach. Aspirin and other NSAIDs can rapidly transform the gastric mucosa from a non-wettable to a wettable state, thereby increasing the tissue's susceptibility to the corrosive actions of gastric acid.

A study on experimentally induced gastric ulcers in rats (Dunjic BS, et al., 1993) showed that mucosal lesions were significantly reduced by a single dose of PPC given before or after the injury factor, which in this study was ethanol or an NSAID.\"


LifeExtension, by the way, is the greatest resource for information on supplements I have found!
Here's the site: www.lef.org Use the search feature to find more knowledge about supplements than you ever thought possible.

The PPC supplements ain't cheep, but common Lecithin also contains substantial amounts of simple Phosphatidylcholine. Don't know if Lecithin would be a good substitute for you if you are on a budget. I've heard it takes about 6 lecithin gels to equal one PPC gel.

Don't know if this might help with adrenal fatigue, but thought you might give them a try for any gastric/liver issues you might have.

Hope you find what works for you... Took me 3 years and 4 different doctors (none of which was as effective as my own research!) before I was on the mend.

Good Luck, and keep us posted on what is working for you!

Bolam56<br /><br />Post edited by: bolam56, at: 2009/08/23 03:20
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Re:My thoughts and program 10 years 11 months ago #3

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Thanks for the information Bolam. Excellent news that you have recovered well over the years. I can only imagine how good it feels to recover from chronic illness, especially when its self researched and naturally medicated. I'm positive i'll get there at some point, however in the meantime I'm learning more about myself than at any previous point in my life.

I'll look into your suggestion which I won't be able to spell correctly! As I live in the UK those 2 brand names you mentioned aren't available, however I may be able to find something similar.

I've also heard good things about lecithin for liver and mental function.

As I believe my liver ache stems from stress -> to poor digestive function due to being partially shut down from the constant fight or flight response -> to an ache, stronger when I'm constipated, handling this cause I believe will be more beneficial to my health than attempting to address some of the symptoms individually.

i'll add it too my list though and do some research.
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Re:My thoughts and program 10 years 11 months ago #4

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Hi konnor,

Interesting how the PPC supplements may not be available in the UK... From what I understand, my PhosChol from Nutrasal is imported/made in Germany! I like this, as it means it may not be made from genetically modified soy.

Source Naturals also has a \"PhosChol\" PPC that may be available to you... www.iherb.com carries the Source Naturals PPC, and ships overseas, tho this may be an expensive route to take.

A shame the stuff has to go all the way from Germany to the states, and then back across the pond to get to you!

Maff said he had tried PPC and he is in the UK... Perhaps he can shed some light on a good source for you.

I'm also seeing a lot of \"triple strength\" (high phosphatidylcholine content) lecithin from multiple brands popping up in many stores. Perhaps this would be a good/inexpensive option.<br /><br />Post edited by: bolam56, at: 2009/08/23 17:47
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Re:My thoughts and program 10 years 11 months ago #5

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Hi Guys,

Welcome to the forums Konnor and thanks for your kind comments about the site. It's a big strain trying to keep on top of things now its got so big (and I'm also doing a full-time degree in nutrition!) - but comments like yours really do make it worth it, so thanks again.

Thanks also for taking the time to share your health situation and plan to tackle your problems in such detail.

As a student of nutritional therapy I would agree with your instincts about the advice you were given regarding supplements. The natural physician you saw should have focused much more on your diet to combat the hypoglycaemia to start with. Large blood sugar fluctuations put a huge stress on your adrenals and if this is the focus of your symptoms then this is where treatment should begin.

It seems you have a good grasp of what needs to be done but I would also add 500mg each of pantothenic acid and pantethine which are required for the production of sterioid hormones (cortisol, DHEA etc) by the adrenal glands. These hormones play a central role on blood sugar regulation. Also, Magnesium helps to regulate blood sugar levels (NIH - Office of Dietary Supplements).

Your dietary and lifestyle plan seems spot on so you've obviously done your research!

Bill mentioned I might know of A UK nutritional supplement supplier - in truth I actually use the same company as he does - www.iherb.com! They are based in California but are very very cheap on quality brands and ship very quickly to the UK (2-3 days) using DHL. It doesn't work out any more expensive than buying from the UK in almost all cases and they have a huge selection I have not seen matched by a UK-based company.

Best of luck with your efforts. I'm sure you already know you are not alone and all of us here are on our own personal journeys back to health. Don't be a stranger!
If you are going through hell, keep going - Winston Churchill
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Re:My thoughts and program 10 years 11 months ago #6

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Cheers Maff,

When I first came to this site I assumed it was run by a company or society, which is a compliment to your dedication to growing the site. I used to dabble in web design and development and would love to operate a site dedicated to adrenal fatigue, with a community to bounce ideas off.

We might be in slightly different camps but were you still pursuing adrenal fatigue treatment for your own health?

B5 is definately a good suggestion. I get small amounts as part of the complex however I need to be weary of stimulation if I add any more. It's a balancing act. I've read that Pantethine is a better form however it doesn't appear to be available in the UK.

iHerb looks really good. Do you pay much customs on the order? Thats where they tend to sting you i've noticed.

Great that your doing a nutrition course. I've always wanted to do something like that although i've already been through university once and am certainly not wealthy. I'm hoping my recent foray into the stockmarket may provide some funds to give me some options.<br /><br />Post edited by: konnor, at: 2009/08/23 23:50
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