Hi!

I sure have missed everyone here lately. I've been offline, but thought about you often. Actually, I've been very busy and have a question about my plans.

I removed myself from my toxic house and am staying with friends. I'm going in Wednesday to begin getting the mercury removed from my teeth! ....but I am really uncertain which pain injection is the best for me.

I've got multiple chemical sensitivities and also severe allergies to pesticides/herbicides and additives in most foods. The only foods I have found that I can tolerate are anti-fungal foods. Most chemicals ranging from soaps to perfume to auto exhaust to nicotine are very toxic to me. So what pain shot do you think would be compatible with my body right now?

I have read about the Biocompatibility test for dental patients, but my understanding is that it only tests for compatible composites/fillings.

How can I find the safest pain killer shot? I asked the dentist in a phone consultation but he only offered vague reassurances...........and when I read online about the most often used pain injections, every one of them have some potential harmful side effects. How do I know what will work without harming my body? What shots have worked for you? What have been your experiences with pain shots at the dentist office?

I am really looking forward to getting the mercury out of my mouth, but want to do so without reaction to a drug! Thank you for helping me find a safe pain shot.

Thanks for sharing and take care of yourselves...
gr8ful*<br /><br />Post edited by: gr8tful4life, at: 2009/11/09 01:04

Hey gr8tful4life, welcome back!

I work in a surgery so perhaps I can help with your injection issues... The \"local anesthesia\" they use for dental injections should not be too toxic. The only alternative would be a general anesthesia, and I would think this would be much worse.

The \"monoject carpules\" most all dentists use usually does not have any preservative in it, but you might ask about this. Preservative free stuff is available and he should be able to get some without much trouble, but he might need to order it a week or so in advance. The stuff with preservative (benzyl alcohol) is not that toxic. No mercury or anything like that, but you might want to ask about this all the same.

The local probably WILL contain Epinephrine (AKA Adrenaline)... This is used to reduce bleeding and keep the local from wearing off too soon as it constricts the blood vessels around the injection site. This too should not be too toxic... It's the same stuff your adrenal glands pump into your blood during \"fight or flight\" situations when you are scared or angry. This stuff will make your heart speed up and pound like a drum for a minute or so... You may notice this even before he finishes the injections, and it may last a minute or so before the effect fades.

This reaction does freak some people out, but the \"epi\" as it's called in the local really does help with bleeding and keeps the local from wearing off too soon so I wouldn't advise resisting this. There is \"epi free\" local available, and your dentist probably has some of this on hand for cardiac patients who can not take local with epi due to their heart condition.

Discuss this with your dentist before you start and if he wants to use local with epi (which he probably will), I'd let him try. If you really have a bad reaction from the epi perhaps he could switch to the epi free stuff for the rest of the injections. I'm hoping you will tolerate the epi OK. The effect really is short lived, and not that bad if you are prepared for it, and know the effect will pass soon.

Important too is not to exasperate the poor fellow too much... A steady hand is important if he's going to do a good job!

Good Luck, and GodSpeed to you!

Hi bolam56,

You sound like you have quite a bit of experience with anesthesia. Thanks so much for sharing.

Have you ever heard of Dr. Wesley Shankland or Dr Jerry Bouquot? I had not until recently. In fact, I know nothing about this subject until my recent online and via phone consultation research. So I'm sending a website where Dr. Bouquot's work is discussed: www.maxillofacialcenter.com/indexNICO.htm

Dr. Shankland's site is easier for me to find information about NICO (cavitations) so I include a quote from:
www.drshankland.com/osteocavitation_lesions.html#6

As you can see, this dentist is teaching that \"vasoconstrictors (especially epinephrine)...may be a major cause for NICO development.\" (see above)

Since I have four extraction-sites in my mouth from dental work done years ago, and since Dr. Shankland says \"that 45% to 94% of all cavitational lesions are found at wisdom teeth extraction sites\" (see above) I wonder if I already have NICO. It seems prudent to test for this and also prevent new dental sites from developing it.

One way I have read (in the Dental Amalgam Mercury Solutions, DAMS Health Guide, phone: 651-644-4572) for this disease to be identified is to have a Cavitat Scan, costing about $350 (and very hard to find a dentist who has the equipment and training...) According to DAMS, another way to detect it is to do a panorex x-ray. However, the two dentists mentioned above, have to my understanding, indicated that most dentists are not trained in how to read the x-ray for NICO development.

Apparently,(and what if this has something to do with those having mercury removed, yet they show little improvement in their symptoms) dental extraction patients need to see if they have NICO. I know I want to find out if I already have it, and I am doing everything I can to prevent it in my new dental extraction sites. (and fillings too)

The other reason that don't want vasoconstrictors (epi shots) is because one of my long-term symptoms is heart palpatations. This symptom has been going on for the better part of six years and sometimes it is very disturbing. I had to give up ALL caffiene years ago and still, my heart pounds. MSG is deadly to me, so is it in its hidden forms, i.e. yeast extract, aspartame, etc. Even less than one tsp of organic honey set me into serious bed-ridden palpatations. Additionally, in years past, I used inhalers with epinephrine for my asthma, but it was just too much for my heart!

Anyway, I hope the reader with read/research this for yourself. If you research, would you reply to this thread?

I recently had a phone consultation with an individual who has five dental sites of NICO and the estimated cost to clean each site is $900 each, so you can see that prevention is the best key to health, and the longer the NICO site goes untreated, the more damage done to the human body.

If vasoconstrictors in pain injections is a major cause, and if epi will cause my already-sressed-heartbeat to beat even harder/faster, then can you see why I don't feel comfortable with this shot?

Alternatives I have read about are Priocaine, Mepivicaine, Novacaine, and Lidocaine. Each of these may have an adverse side effect for the sensitive dental patient, including rapid heart rate, CNS toxicity, etc. I'm going to try to get more info and post more about these options because there simply has to be a safe alternative. Isn't that what alternative dentistry is all about?

I hope I don't frustrate my dentist.
Thanks for everything! Take care of each other!
gr8ful*<br /><br />Post edited by: gr8tful4life, at: 2009/11/09 16:23

Hi guys,

Thanks for providing this research and information gr8tful4life. I want to have my wisdom teeth removed at some point for cosmetic reasons (crowding of teeth on upp jaw). This information however has made me think carefully about this. I would certainly have to do some thorough research before going through with wisdom teeth extractions if the risk are truly this high.

Obviously for an ex-MCS patient who is still very ill with CFS and other issues like myself general anaesthetic is a bad idea (I believe it was the trigger for my MCS in fact).

What are your thoughts on this bolam56?

Maff,

Like you, I wanted extractions of some of my molars too, but when I heard of the information that I posted above, I also began to have second thoughts. I don't know...but, it seems logical to wonder if the vasoconstrictors could cause damage to an extracted area, they may also cause similar damage to the bony structures under a filled cavity.

The more I research dentistry, the more I realize that patients must hire a dentist who really knows what he or she is doing! And I choose wholistic, alternative dentistry. Yet even most of them I am told, don't know about the information in my prior post. I wonder, is this research THAT new?

Yes bolam56, I too look forward to your thoughts on this! Thank you,
gr8ful*

Hi I spent years avoiding dental anaesthetics as I was scared of a major reaction.Eventually I took the plunge and tried them.I have only had my dentist use the adrenaline free one and Ive been fine.I did feel slightly strange esp the first time so I would be wary of adrenaline containing ones if you have the racy heart palpitations thing going.
Hope this helps someone