Home Fecal Transplants
Sources of supplies for home HPI
Discussion started by Maff 12 years ago
Hi all,
I thought it would be useful if we could help each other out by posting sources of equipment and materials we've sourced/purchased for use during our home HPI procedures.
As regulars will know I plan to fill empty supplement capsules will my donor faecal matter to get the beneficial microflora in rrom the "top end" and hopefully help to address my upper gut fermentation issues. Ideally these wouldbe enteric coated capsules so they don't break down until reaching the small intestine. So far I have found the following:
1. http://www.iherb.com/EmptyCapsules?gclid=CNbp4sfMq6kCFcod4QodtGnTLQ (US, non-enteric coated)
2. http://capsules-online.co.uk/store/category.php?id_category=9 (UK, enteric coated)
3. http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=empty+gelatin+capsules&tag=googhydr-21&index=aps&hvadid=7654137080&ref=pd_sl_4yg8gmqaxm_b (UK, non-eneteric coated - as far as I can see)
This discussion is not ust about capsules however. Please post links to sources of enema bags, tubing/tips, cheap blenders, bowel prep materials saline solution etc.
Thanks folks :)
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Maff
Thanks for all the links and tips guys! I think Amazon and eBay will be my first port of call. I'm not starting my HPIs until the first week of August but I do need to get everything I need together sooner rather than later. I will be taking antifungals for the whole of July and they put me in a state where I am unlikely to be able to do much at all - due to the excruciating die-off symptoms.
In terms of the procedure I am going to go with the standard gravity method and massage/position changes rather than the squeeze bottle, as this is a method I have done before so am familiar with. One less thing to think about!
Redo - Sorry the iherb link didn't work. Not sure why. Anyway, I will be buying the enteric coated kind which should hold up to both holding the donor stool and digestive juices well so no need to refrigerate the stool I don't think.
In terms of the procedure I am going to go with the standard gravity method and massage/position changes rather than the squeeze bottle, as this is a method I have done before so am familiar with. One less thing to think about!
Redo - Sorry the iherb link didn't work. Not sure why. Anyway, I will be buying the enteric coated kind which should hold up to both holding the donor stool and digestive juices well so no need to refrigerate the stool I don't think.
12 years ago
MikeH
Redo, I got that information from a blog post comment here: www.naturaldigestivehealing.com/blog/2011/02/06/bacteriotherapy-summary-post/ was planning in starting far in and then on the way out releasing some more of the enema to get a good spread. I'll do the massage. Thanks for that. I was also going to lie on front/back/sides and standing on my head if I can manage it!!
This is also where I got the information about squeeze bottle. Also having used the fleet prep for a colonoscopy and colozal enemas in a very similar fashion, this is the method i think would be easiest for me.
This is also where I got the information about squeeze bottle. Also having used the fleet prep for a colonoscopy and colozal enemas in a very similar fashion, this is the method i think would be easiest for me.
12 years ago
Redozipous
"That way I can get the enema as far into the bowel as possible" I certainly don't think doing this would do any harm. But just a note; Borody puts the tip of the hose 1/3 or 2/3 in (the tip is just some inches), and after that you massage your bowel, so that you get the fluid spread all over the large intestines.
12 years ago
Redozipous
Do you know of anyone else whose used squeeze bottle and tube, instead of bag + tube via gravity (the way it's usually done)?
12 years ago
MikeH
I am going via the enema route and have ordered my items via Amazon (except for the cheap blender which came from Tesco). Sadly there is not a 'kit' you can order that I have found so I have ordered all of mine separately. Just searched the items in Amazon.
- Sieve - to make a finer mixture after blending it
- Fleet enema bottles (i'm going to use them to hold the fecal enema but not use the actual fleet enema liquid. will just dispose of that)
- picolax - a bowel prep drink that is given to people having a colonoscopy to flush out the bowel
- funnel - to get the mixture into the enema bottle
- enema kit - this comes with a bag and tube but i'm going to disconnect the tube and jam it on to the fleet bottle. That way I can get the enema as far into the bowel as possible
- a box of those medical gloves
- blender - only cost about £10 (note to self - never buy a second-hand blender just in case!)
I am also taking tanalbit tablets (anti-parasite/anti-yeast) and have some 400ppm silver as well to reduce bacterial numbers prior to transplants.
- Sieve - to make a finer mixture after blending it
- Fleet enema bottles (i'm going to use them to hold the fecal enema but not use the actual fleet enema liquid. will just dispose of that)
- picolax - a bowel prep drink that is given to people having a colonoscopy to flush out the bowel
- funnel - to get the mixture into the enema bottle
- enema kit - this comes with a bag and tube but i'm going to disconnect the tube and jam it on to the fleet bottle. That way I can get the enema as far into the bowel as possible
- a box of those medical gloves
- blender - only cost about £10 (note to self - never buy a second-hand blender just in case!)
I am also taking tanalbit tablets (anti-parasite/anti-yeast) and have some 400ppm silver as well to reduce bacterial numbers prior to transplants.
12 years ago
Redozipous
"Enema is the procedure of..." I though of the enama as the product. So this sentence is missing a word... : "Cleaning the enama [kit] with soap, alcohol or chloride and than rinsing with water takes time. It's easiest to buy one kit for each day."
12 years ago
Redozipous
I got "page not found" when I followed your iHerb link.
If you buy capsules, buy the largest you can find. And also (like I think you have suggested earlier) buy yourself a pipette. It would make administration sooooo much easier.
Find one with a relatively large capacity. 1000uL is only one milliliter.
shop.ebay.com/… gelatin melts away pretty quickly when it comes in contact with liquid, and most fecal mass are more or less liquid, so I'd say either chill off the fecal matter for some 30 minutes before using the pipette to get it into the capsules, or find some other way to make the liquid problem smaller.
The stomach acid is harsh, so I think it will break down the coating pretty quickly. So like you suggested earlier, buy an antacid
shop.ebay.com/… sure which brand is best though, and if you'll need a prescribed brand to find one which really works.
This study suggests that top down is the easiest and most convenient (!) procedure. After seeing the 3 minute NG tube video, I think I'll agree. cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/36/5/…: "Twenty-five milliliters of the transplant stool suspension was drawn up in a syringe and instilled into the stomach via the nasogastric tube."
25 ml is less than 25 gram. It's about one 10th of what comes after a normal bathroom visit.
That should be possible to get into pills...
If you buy capsules, buy the largest you can find. And also (like I think you have suggested earlier) buy yourself a pipette. It would make administration sooooo much easier.
Find one with a relatively large capacity. 1000uL is only one milliliter.
shop.ebay.com/… gelatin melts away pretty quickly when it comes in contact with liquid, and most fecal mass are more or less liquid, so I'd say either chill off the fecal matter for some 30 minutes before using the pipette to get it into the capsules, or find some other way to make the liquid problem smaller.
The stomach acid is harsh, so I think it will break down the coating pretty quickly. So like you suggested earlier, buy an antacid
shop.ebay.com/… sure which brand is best though, and if you'll need a prescribed brand to find one which really works.
This study suggests that top down is the easiest and most convenient (!) procedure. After seeing the 3 minute NG tube video, I think I'll agree. cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/36/5/…: "Twenty-five milliliters of the transplant stool suspension was drawn up in a syringe and instilled into the stomach via the nasogastric tube."
25 ml is less than 25 gram. It's about one 10th of what comes after a normal bathroom visit.
That should be possible to get into pills...
12 years ago
Redozipous
I have done my first HPI. I am not sure if I should make a new thread with tips, tricks and observations, or if it'd be best to continue on this one. But since it contains much advice on what to buy, I thought this'd be best.
It's really a easy procedure, and it is really alright. The most challenging is the first part, the mixing, once that's done, it's pretty straightforward.
First, buy yourself a bottle of Oust. You'll need it.
shop.ebay.com/… important to understand why things are done. And the saltwater is just for making it possible to pour, so as long as you can hold it in, it's better with too much than too little saltwater. It's very easy to get the enema clogged.
I first tried to use the enama used in the Silverman procedure, which looks like this:
www.enemakit.com/images/… yourself a favor and buy this:
cgi.ebay.de/Klistierbeutel-3-Liter-Geblase-Einlauf-Klistier-/… has a pump and a see-through hose, which makes the whole thing a lot easier.
Buy a new cheap blender, 1 Liter capacity.
shop.ebay.com/… much better to mix the solution too much than too little. You run a big chance to get the whole stuff clogged if you mix too little. Mix for at least one minute.
The large intestines have about 5 liter capacity. It may seem like much to get 0,5 liter inside, or perhaps 1 liter. But as long as you take imodium you'll be fine.
Practice with saltwater first, get to know the procedure. Buy enough of the enemas so you can through one away after use. Cleaning the enama with soap, alcohol or chloride and than rinsing with water takes time. It's easiest to buy one kit for each day.
Using coffee filters to filtrate the mixture may work if you use Silverman's procedure (lots of water, tiny amount of feces), but if you use Borody's procedure it wont work, cause it's too thick.
If you know a place to buy a sieve with LARGE distance in the mesh, than that can be useful if you're doing the Borody procedure.
Buy alcohol wipes, and also buy a measuring cup you can through away.
shop.ebay.com/…
Buy high fiber food you can have ready once you're done. You'll need if for the new "culture" to establish itself in your gut. Oatmeal, crisp bread etc.
It's really a easy procedure, and it is really alright. The most challenging is the first part, the mixing, once that's done, it's pretty straightforward.
First, buy yourself a bottle of Oust. You'll need it.
shop.ebay.com/… important to understand why things are done. And the saltwater is just for making it possible to pour, so as long as you can hold it in, it's better with too much than too little saltwater. It's very easy to get the enema clogged.
I first tried to use the enama used in the Silverman procedure, which looks like this:
www.enemakit.com/images/… yourself a favor and buy this:
cgi.ebay.de/Klistierbeutel-3-Liter-Geblase-Einlauf-Klistier-/… has a pump and a see-through hose, which makes the whole thing a lot easier.
Buy a new cheap blender, 1 Liter capacity.
shop.ebay.com/… much better to mix the solution too much than too little. You run a big chance to get the whole stuff clogged if you mix too little. Mix for at least one minute.
The large intestines have about 5 liter capacity. It may seem like much to get 0,5 liter inside, or perhaps 1 liter. But as long as you take imodium you'll be fine.
Practice with saltwater first, get to know the procedure. Buy enough of the enemas so you can through one away after use. Cleaning the enama with soap, alcohol or chloride and than rinsing with water takes time. It's easiest to buy one kit for each day.
Using coffee filters to filtrate the mixture may work if you use Silverman's procedure (lots of water, tiny amount of feces), but if you use Borody's procedure it wont work, cause it's too thick.
If you know a place to buy a sieve with LARGE distance in the mesh, than that can be useful if you're doing the Borody procedure.
Buy alcohol wipes, and also buy a measuring cup you can through away.
shop.ebay.com/…
Buy high fiber food you can have ready once you're done. You'll need if for the new "culture" to establish itself in your gut. Oatmeal, crisp bread etc.
12 years ago
